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Paratopia 013: Greg Bishop

Greg Bishop is author of the ufological classic, Project Beta, host of Radio Mysterioso, Excluded Middle Magazine editor, Project Censored award winner, and the list goes on. Who better to delve into all aspects of the paranormal with The Jeff and The Jer than Greg?

This one is a whirlwind of an episode! [originally aired: 2009]

Paratopia 012: Norio Hayakawa

Long-time ufologist and activist Norio Hayakawa joins us to talk about his project: The Dulce Underground UFO Base Conference.

What starts as a typical conversation about alleged alien/military handshake deals and joint underground facilities takes a 180 degree turn when Norio reveals his true motivation behind the conference and what he really thinks of the lore! [originally aired: 2009]

Paratopia 011: Philippe Mora

In what will surely go down in paranormal radio history as one of the most surreal opening bits ever recorded, our disenchanted hosts, Jeff and Jeremy, stumble into a dress rehearsal of ''Communion: The Movie - A Staged Reading.'' There they meet the director, Philippe Mora, and chat him up about the film, his lifelong friendship with its writer/subject, Whitley Strieber, Mora's own strange experiences, aliens, yeti, remote viewing, Hitler, Eric Clapton, David Mamet, Christopher Walken, a meat sculpture and Scotland Yard--you name it, it gets referenced! (In fact this may be the only paranormal show with this many disparate references that don't all get lumped into one giant conspiracy theory by the end.)

All that and Jeremy laughs like a hyena in the outtakes of this very special ''DVD Edition'' of Paratopia! [originally aired: 2009]

Paratopia 010: Deb Kauble

The Jeff and The Jer finally put the Hopkins/Jacobs notion of tiny alien doctors doing malevolent things to rest. This is it, folks. Game over for that meme. Why? Because they dont do it alone. They have a very special guest: Debbie Kauble, a.k.a. "Kathie Davis," from Budd Hopkins landmark book, Intruders.

Debbie is the first abductee to talk openly about having had her pregnancy stolen from her by aliens to make a hybrid baby. She is the poster child for the alien doctors narrative. But what does she think now, some 25 years later? [originally aired: 02/27/09]

Paratopia 009: Ted Phillips

What happens when a veteran UFO researcher of the highest caliber, a real nuts and bolts man, is faced with something that changes his mind about the enigma? It is our pleasure to present Mr. Ted Phillips and the Marley Woods Case. [originally aired: 02/20/09]

The Only Way To End - Part 2

Picking up where we left off last episode, George Hansen, author of The Trickster and The Paranormal, closes out the season with more in-depth discussion about a mythological intelligence who may just be alive.

Find out more about George and his work here: www.tricksterbook.com

Paratopia 008: George Hansen Round 1

The Jeff and The Jer continue to build a legit show for the Paratopian Papacy. This episode they talk to paranormal investigator George Hansen about his Trickster Theory. [originally aired: 02/13/09]

The Only Way To End - Part 1

This season only ends one of two ways. It's a no-brainer which to choose. Here's part 1.

Paratopia 007: Dr. Dennis McKenna

In their second radio broadcast for the Paratopian Papacy, The Jeff and The Jer speak to Dr. Dennis McKenna about DMT, psilocybin mushrooms, ayahuasca, shamanism, and alien abductions. What are the differences? What are the connections?--Hear what he has to say as he takes us on a journey with his brother, Terrence, through the jungles of the Amazon and into the shamanic experience. [originally aired: 02/06/09]

Paratopia Unmoored: Ted Roe Finds Peace

It is 2021 and all the world is speaking about UAP in the same terminology and context as Ted Roe and NARCAP did on this show a decade ago. What changed? And why isn't NARCAP ever mentioned in the mainstream media? 

These are the questions I had for Ted. He gave the answers. And then he burned the proverbial house to the ground in this information-rich and somewhat heartbreaking episode.